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  • jfoster 1 hour ago
    A lot of the previous Qwen models seem to have used Apache licenses, among others:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwen#List_of_models

    Unfortunately, it looks like this model is using a much more restrictive license:

    https://github.com/QwenLM/Qwen-Image-2.1/blob/main/LICENSE

    • kloud 12 minutes ago
      Calling open-weights as open-source in marketing materials is the usual misrepresentation. But now with the restriction on commercial use (which is against opensource definition) it is not even open-weights, technically it would be more accurate to call it weights-available.
    • unrented7977 28 minutes ago
      I'm willing to bet a nonzero amount of its training material is GPL, so I'll treat it as GPL licensed instead and use it however the fuck I want.

      If AI labs get to ignore licenses, so do we.

    • gregoriol 1 hour ago
      Was going to post about this: the last image models with Apache 2.0 license seem to be from 2025, recent Qwen models are "non-commercial use".
      • bloaf 38 minutes ago
        I love the non-commercial clauses because of how many people are using these for deceptive ads and “virtual staging” and fake social media accounts. Anything that makes those guys lives harder while still letting me make silly pictures for my kids and tapestries for my D&D campaign feel fine by me.
        • tenuousemphasis 23 minutes ago
          You think they care about the probably unenforceable license terms?
      • Luker88 35 minutes ago
        Companies can use llm to license-wash open source code regardless of license.

        How difficult would it be to use this model to create a second model without licensing issues?

        • Zambyte 30 minutes ago
          Why would you even do that? Just... use it? There hasn't been any legal precedent on if models can even be copyright restricted. Labs just keep publishing license documents as if they matter.
          • zdragnar 20 minutes ago
            Well, it is an indication that it matters to the lab, so if you don't want legal fees to be the first one to set precedent, then it does matter a great deal.
    • plufz 15 minutes ago
      What are the top image models that still use a less restrictive license today?
  • docheinestages 2 minutes ago
    My first impression is that it's not so good at following prompt directions. I asked it to place a 3D text made of glass in a particular city. It instead gave me a broken 3D text on a white background. Maybe with different seeds it gets better, but it's more of a trial and error process than reliable results.
  • samayashar 2 minutes ago
    Qwen and Alibaba are the biggest competitor for basically every model out there. They're beating the benchmarks like top-frontier models, focused on open-source and much cheaper than the competitors.

    Excited to see what the future holds for them!

  • fishfasell 1 hour ago
    The capabilities of local LLM text-to-image is honestly pretty damn impressive. IMO, I think local image generation is currently ahead of local code generation. I can get an image in seconds locally with the quality being way higher than what I'd expect from a local model. However with coding it's much slower and much less impressive. I'm sure there's a reason for this and I'm not an AI expert so I'll let the smarter folks tell me why, but that's just been my observation thus far.
    • mft_ 1 hour ago
      I've played with diffusion models on and off since the first release of Stable Diffusion - just for amusement, without a particular goal.

      Recently, I've been helping a friend's wife with some basic vector images for her sewing hobby (she has what is essentially a CNC sewing machine) and have been super-impressed with FLUX.1-Kontext, which I've been running on my Macbook Pro with mflux. Its ability to (for example) take a photo of a human or an animal and return a line drawing which is recognisably them (rather than just a generic similarish image as I've experienced with other models) is excellent.

      It's an older model now, but (AIUI) has the text-handling features baked in, and in my various testing is very reliable at giving me the outputs that I want, without the randomness I've experienced previously. It's big and relatively slow (~3 mins per 512x512 image edit on my M1 Max Mac) but excellent to work with. It's also very straightforward to set up, without the harness complexity of e.g. comfyui.

      • jLaForest 40 minutes ago
        is the cnc sewing machine an off the shelf model or something DIY? I'd love to hear more
        • mft_ 35 minutes ago
          Off the shelf - it’s a Brother. It prints via a proprietary file format (.PES) but there’s an extension for Inkscape that supports creation and export.
    • victorbjorklund 1 hour ago
      I mean I’m sure it’s the reverse for an artist. They would be less impressed with the image and more impressed with the code quality
      • 26d0 17 minutes ago
        The point I think is interesting is that this is just 7B. The current SOTA 7B LLMs are barely usable for quite simple coding.
      • gedy 1 hour ago
        To generalize, LLMs are great at what you are not skilled at.
        • k__ 11 minutes ago
          That's how they're sold, isn't it?
      • fishfasell 52 minutes ago
        That's a fair statement, I agree. I'm quite an abysmal artist so I could be a victim of my own bias here
  • gunalx 48 minutes ago
    Its happy to see a new open image model from qwen. But the license is a let down. And it dosent even beat their closed qwen3 image wich is already a bit old.
  • trains39472 1 hour ago
    A 7B diffusion model can now render CJK text better than Microsoft Windows.
    • doctorpangloss 16 minutes ago
      Ideogram 4 has been around for a while haha
    • tomjen3 1 hour ago
      Just think about how recently we got that feature in the official ChatGPT image gen. And now we have that running locally — assuming that is, I can figure out how to get this running on my Mac — blows my mind.
      • jimmydoe 31 minutes ago
        Is ChatGPT really that good?

        Back in Apr, ChatGPT Images 2.0 has some broken Chinese texts in its featured examples, and they later removed that from blog post. Is 2.5 better now?

      • Havoc 43 minutes ago
        Pretty sure comfyui has a mac executable
  • mdp2021 1 hour ago
    How do you use this model locally, similarly to using `llama-server -m <model>`?

    (I mean: outside direct or substantial use of Python, and running the Neural Network in the most efficient way.)

    • Iolaum 1 hour ago
      There is difussion.cpp which is intended for those types of models. I set up krea-2-turbo with the help of ChatGPT 2 months ago, if you have a capable computer that's what I would suggest once it becomes supported.
    • fp64 1 hour ago
      on the linked GitHub page they list support Diffusers, ComfyUI, vLLM-Omni, SGLang, and LightX2V with links to each
      • mdp2021 15 minutes ago
        > Diffusers, ComfyUI, vLLM-Omni, SGLang, and LightX2V

        I think that's all Python (not a direct executable).

        You could just do (see the "Quick Start") four `pip install` and have a dozen lines script to generate the image. But `llama.cpp` and similar do not require e.g. installing Torch (or PyTorch) - you can use `llama.cpp` on a non-specialized machine.

    • embedding-shape 1 hour ago
      Probably ComfyUI is one of the easiest way to get started with local image/video models. Or perhaps vLLM, if they have support for it already, would be something like `vllm serve <model> --omni --port 9080`
    • utopiah 1 hour ago
      why not just as you suggested i.e. https://qwen.readthedocs.io/en/latest/run_locally/llama.cpp.... then get the result either via a UI or wget/curl it back?
      • mdp2021 1 hour ago
        I am not sure that llama.cpp also supports image generation models.
        • utopiah 1 hour ago
          • exe34 1 hour ago
            Multimodal doesn't guarantee input and output.

            > Currently, we support image, audio and video input.

            • utopiah 30 minutes ago
              Seems I'm missing something. Does this model support other inputs?

              Image outputs are supported, videos I'm not sure but I don't think that's an output, just a preview of the equirectangular example, so, same question here, what does this model outputs that isn't supported?

              • exe34 3 minutes ago
                It's a diffusion model, completely different from autoregressive attention models.
  • d2kx 1 hour ago
    God I love the Qwen team. Easily the most diverse set of models from all the Chinese labs. Only Gemini/DeepMind comes close.
  • hgufj 1 hour ago
    I am really grateful to the Chinese Labs for open sourcing their best models. If it was left to the Americans, we would be forced to pay obscene API fees to use them.
    • jfoster 53 minutes ago
      Note that the license on this has this in it:

      > You shall not use the Materials for any commercial purpose without obtaining a separate commercial license from us.

      It probably will be much cheaper to use than other image models, but it seems that will be up to the whims of Qwen/Alibaba rather than just being the cost of putting it in a cloud provider.

      https://github.com/QwenLM/Qwen-Image-2.1/blob/main/LICENSE

  • trentor 1 hour ago
    They finally fixed their VAE. It really held back their models over the last 2 years.
    • mdp2021 23 minutes ago
      > finally fixed their VAE

      Can you share the sources?

      • trentor 0 minutes ago
        It's right there in the hugging face link?

        latents go from 16ch @ 8x compression to 64ch @ 16x, so roughly the same total latent budget but much more channel heavy. It’s also deeper/wider, and the old 2x2 transformer patching is gone they moved the aggregation into the VAE.

        On some images it still produces artifacts but can't say if it's the transformer or the VAE yet.

  • Hard_Space 1 hour ago
    Interesting in the example of assembling the Cheers team how the otherwise great result genericizes Shelley Long.
    • hughc 1 hour ago
      The result seems a pretty good representation given the source image wasn't that great. I think that Woody Harrelson comes across much worse.
  • TomGarden 1 hour ago
    Very impressive, and kind of worrying a 7B model can have such capabilities. The implications are huge. And Qwen does no watermarking (yet) yeah?
    • trentor 1 hour ago
      They always had a fourier space mark in their models even without the VAEs are usually pretty easy to detect.
      • TomGarden 1 hour ago
        Ah I wasn't aware, thank you
  • spottedmarley 1 hour ago
    Boy do I love waking up to find a new awesome toy from the Qwen team waiting for me to play with! Pulling it now
  • bknight1983 40 minutes ago
    While I'm impressed with the Bluey example, the lack of Muffin disappoints me.
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    • reedf1 50 minutes ago
      Context?
      • JimDabell 46 minutes ago
        People say ChatGPT generates images with a yellow tint. The person you are replying to is suggesting that these images have a yellow tint and therefore this model is distilled from ChatGPT.
  • hn45e7pbij 1 hour ago
    Image gen you eyeball one frame and stop, code needs hundreds of tokens all correct in sequence, one bad line and the whole thing fails.